{"id":188,"date":"2006-11-14T12:45:20","date_gmt":"2006-11-14T19:45:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/2006\/11\/14\/dancing-with-time-gently\/"},"modified":"2012-12-08T11:37:21","modified_gmt":"2012-12-08T19:37:21","slug":"dancing-with-time-gently","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=188","title":{"rendered":"Dancing with time, gently"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I take my title from Lesley&#8217;s Post. But dancing is what Lesley hopes to do. Right now, she&#8217;s vibrating. Lesley, I&#8217;d be interested to know more about what that means and how it works.<\/p>\n<p>Ron and Joel are exploring time and the movement of thoughts. Thoughts, as action, certainly invoke time, and the prospect of engaging the temporal dynamic of thinking directly, without having to first &#8220;get permission&#8221; from self as agent and as owner of the thoughts, does seem to me exactly what Ex. 16 is pointing at. Whether this leads to no-separation between your thoughts and my thoughts is a different matter. In principle, TSK is very open to this kind of &#8220;non-standard&#8221; kind of happening. But first we have to work with the fact that time presents not only a thought, but also a thinker thinking that thought. Hmmm.<\/p>\n<p>Arthur, I&#8217;m glad that writing in German makes the process more inviting. Again, I hope that other German speakers accept this invitation as well. In addition to everyone from Germany (and some of the Dutch speakers too, and me), Joel reads German fluently. So your Posts are noted and appreciated.<\/p>\n<p>Arthur makes the important point that working with time can be more challenging and illuminating than working directly with the theme of &#8220;self&#8221; (though we will do that more later, as well.) I think that&#8217;s one of the reasons that Rinpoche presents this vision in terms of time and space and knowledge. These are unexamined (relatively) dimensions of our being. The German philosopher Heidegger wrote (I paraphrase and expand): &#8220;If we only look where everyone is used to looking, we will never gain access to light.&#8221; The question of time is a question that leads us into unknown territories, and that is a good thing.<\/p>\n<p>At the same time, Arthur, you are right that it is hard even to notice events that cannot be referred back to a self.<\/p>\n<p>At the top of p. 40 in <em>When It Rains<\/em>, the question is raised: do we have a sense of time passing when we are fully engaged in an event? He answers no, but then observes that he does have a sense of time passing when he is able to get involved in his breathing. Other times too: the ticking of a clock. This is a good observation. What accounts for the difference? Would it be possible to cultivate the sense of time passing in other &#8220;ordinary&#8221; experiences? Is this a worthwhile approach?<\/p>\n<p>Jack<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I take my title from Lesley&#8217;s Post. But dancing is what Lesley hopes to do. Right now, she&#8217;s vibrating. Lesley, I&#8217;d be interested to know more about what that means and how it works. Ron and Joel are exploring time &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=188\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-188","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-01_general","category-tsk-online-program"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/188","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=188"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/188\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=188"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=188"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=188"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}