{"id":193,"date":"2006-11-16T15:22:52","date_gmt":"2006-11-16T22:22:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/2006\/11\/16\/exercises-18-and-21-how-separate-are-the-three-times\/"},"modified":"2012-12-08T11:37:21","modified_gmt":"2012-12-08T19:37:21","slug":"exercises-18-and-21-how-separate-are-the-three-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=193","title":{"rendered":"Exercises 18 and 21: how separate are the three times?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Peter has some questions about Ex. 21. He starts his Post (in German) with a lovely description of his experience doing Ex. 20 during church services last Sunday; I won&#8217;t try to translate that, but it&#8217;s a good reminder that these exercises can be undertaken in daily life.<\/p>\n<p>(By the way, a question came up for me recently: If we are actively practicing TSK in daily life, why don&#8217;t we care to do so in our dreams? I am not referring to lucid dreaming, just to the idea that we could be interested in TSK during our dreams as well. Perhaps we are less than fully ourselves in dreams.)<\/p>\n<p>Now, as to 21, he sees no way into it. Trying to single out subtle past\/future dimensions of experience, he finds that the present experience turns into a mishmash&#8211;everything jumbled together. Not only that, but the present has by now turned into the past. With thoughts, things go better: he finds himself experiencing light, color, and sensation, with questions of meaning not very important.<\/p>\n<p>My sense, Peter, is that you may be insisting too much on the difference among the three times. The past and the future may already be present. For instance, suppose that I focus on my experience and in a dreamy way notice an image of a woman. This woman has her past and her unknown future. They are present now. In the same way, the computer I am writing at has its past (for me, or more objectively: there is something of the assembly worker in China who put it together) and perhaps its future. And what I am writing has its past and its future; in fact, focusing on that past and future, there seems almost nothing left of present, except a mysterious space from which the words emerge, without my really knowing how or doing anything about it.<\/p>\n<p>Ron in his comment on Ex. 18 mentions that he did this exercise on and off (<em>ab und zu<\/em>) during the day. I think that kind of light-hearted approach pays off.<\/p>\n<p>Jack<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Peter has some questions about Ex. 21. He starts his Post (in German) with a lovely description of his experience doing Ex. 20 during church services last Sunday; I won&#8217;t try to translate that, but it&#8217;s a good reminder that &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=193\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-193","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-01_general","category-tsk-online-program"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/193","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=193"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/193\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=193"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=193"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=193"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}