{"id":235,"date":"2006-12-15T10:53:03","date_gmt":"2006-12-15T17:53:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/2006\/12\/15\/gaynors-concern\/"},"modified":"2012-12-08T11:37:20","modified_gmt":"2012-12-08T19:37:20","slug":"gaynors-concern","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=235","title":{"rendered":"Gaynor&#8217;s concern"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Gaynor is troubled by a sentence in TSK:<\/p>\n<p>\u00e2\u20ac\u0153It becomes equally appropriate to maintain that this fact (that no source is found) is conclusive evidence <em>that such a source does not exist<\/em>, rather than being simply a <em>corollary<\/em> of the source\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s existence\u00e2\u20ac\u009d<\/p>\n<p>In response, I&#8217;m going to get precise about language, because I think it makes an important point about how the TSK books are written.<\/p>\n<p>The discussion at the point where this quote appears is directed at a set of philosophical concerns (in general, the first TSK book addresses itself more to the questions that might be raised by a student of philosophy than the later books). And throughout, it uses this rather strained &#8220;it is appropriate&#8221; language. What does this way of speaking point to?<\/p>\n<p>Usually, philosophy (and science) aim to give explanations, and usually explanations claim to be accurate or true, in the sense that the explanation &#8220;corresponds&#8221; to what is really the case. But here, &#8220;explanations&#8221; are replaced by &#8220;appropriate&#8221; statements. In philosophical terms, I understand this to mean that the &#8220;correspondence theory&#8221; of truth gives way to a &#8220;coherence theory&#8221; of truth: If you are going to look at one set of things in a certain way, it becomes &#8220;appropriate&#8221; to see other things in a related way.<\/p>\n<p>So, the scientific perspective (I am at the top of p. 53) finds it appropriate to adopt a physicalist understanding of mind. But if we are going to make progress with TSK Ex. 11, this view is no longer appropriate, and we should &#8220;suspend allegiance&#8221; to it. For a moment, we are left in limbo; in other words, it is not &#8220;appropriate&#8221; to hold any view. But it is not easy to maintain a &#8220;no position&#8221; position, so the commentary suggests that it would be &#8220;appropriate&#8221; to adopt a different view, which holds 1) that no source for experience can be found and 2) that we can conclude from this that no source for experience exists.<\/p>\n<p>Now, the point here is that this is not an &#8220;assertion&#8221; about the way things really are (an &#8220;assertion,&#8221; Gaynor, is precisely what you call it in your Post). The last paragraph on page 54 makes clear. It is only an appropriate way to look at things.<\/p>\n<p>It may be that you find it more &#8220;appropriate&#8221; just to leave the question of what is really so open, instead of adopting a kind of &#8220;provisional assertion&#8221; about it, as the book suggests. I think the idea here, though, is that if we try to suspend our usual belief in physical brain-mind causality, without putting anything in its place, we are left with mush.<\/p>\n<p>Now, as to the rest of your post, I do find that some people trace the arising of thoughts to an energetic level, as you do here. Others do not. It would be an interesting challenge for people who don&#8217;t typically start from &#8220;energy&#8221; to look there.<\/p>\n<p>Jack<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gaynor is troubled by a sentence in TSK: \u00e2\u20ac\u0153It becomes equally appropriate to maintain that this fact (that no source is found) is conclusive evidence that such a source does not exist, rather than being simply a corollary of the &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=235\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-235","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-01_general","category-tsk-online-program"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/235","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=235"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/235\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=235"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=235"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=235"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}