{"id":4888,"date":"2013-10-18T09:16:51","date_gmt":"2013-10-18T16:16:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=4888"},"modified":"2013-11-18T10:19:56","modified_gmt":"2013-11-18T18:19:56","slug":"knowing-the-subject","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=4888","title":{"rendered":"Knowing the Subject"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I was doing the first exercise from the class 5 recording. Here&#8217;s what i found: The sense of the subject-object structure is present because of a reflexive movement of thought, a kind of continual looping movement out and back\u00c2\u00a0 At this &#8216;level&#8217; of knowing, if I try to verify the existence of anything, I kind of create it at the same time. This is where the &#8216;subject&#8217; operates (and originates?).<br \/>\nThen, I tried to account for something else, but here my words are more tentative: there is another &#8216;level.&#8217; Step one. What could I say about it was my next step. And here I ran into the same level-one problem, that by trying to &#8216;know&#8217; it with looping, reflexive movement of knowing, I &#8216;created&#8217; it. Wow! That&#8217;s tricky. &#8220;And yet I know it, somehow,&#8221; I thought, in some way that makes me want to use the word &#8216;prior&#8217; (but in a provisional sense only, not really, at this stage, in a temporal sense.).<br \/>\nThen, the first somewhat satisfactory word I could find, for this level of knowing was &#8220;energy.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t know what that meant, but it seemed to fit. (This &#8216;energy&#8217; level of knowing, seems to inform the looping movement, which means the reflexive level doesn&#8217;t really go &#8216;out&#8217; at all, but seems to work with this primary kind of &#8216;energy&#8217;. &#8216;Out&#8217; looks like it might be created by this movement.)<br \/>\nAs I attuned to the &#8216;energy&#8217;-style knowing, I realised that I could know it through the &#8216;feel&#8217; of its presence, and (if this wasn&#8217;t already\u00c2\u00a0 my second satisfactory description-word, then&#8230;) this gave me my second word which fits: &#8216;direct.&#8217; \u00c2\u00a0Again, I don&#8217;t know exactly what that means at root, but it feels like the right word. In going to explore some more, before I say more.<\/p>\n<p>I can say that there&#8217;s a &#8216;direct&#8217; kind of knowing (and the word &#8216;implicit&#8217; might work in some way, here, too?)\u00c2\u00a0, and there&#8217;s the &#8216;reflexive&#8217; kind of subject-object-knowing, but I can&#8217;t say that objects happen on this latter &#8216;direct&#8217; level (it appears not), so I&#8217;m not ready to say what kind of &#8216;subject&#8217; happens there, if at all.<\/p>\n<p>As I write this, I realize that the direct kind of knowing might account for how I can say confidently that the first (looping) kind of knowing actually happens (independent of the looping-knowing&#8217;s self-validating quirkiness).<\/p>\n<p>Enough. Thanks all.<br \/>\n&#8211; Christopher.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was doing the first exercise from the class 5 recording. 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