{"id":578,"date":"2008-02-22T15:18:55","date_gmt":"2008-02-22T22:18:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/2008\/02\/22\/integrating-analysis-and-experience\/"},"modified":"2012-12-08T11:37:05","modified_gmt":"2012-12-08T19:37:05","slug":"integrating-analysis-and-experience","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=578","title":{"rendered":"Integrating Analysis and Experience"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The reference of Jack to p. 125 brought my to the side bevor, last paragraph. Reading first\u00c2\u00a0paragraph of p. 125, it contracts my experiencing\/ thinking only to &#8220;conscious&#8221; and &#8220;unconscious&#8221; &#8211; and sounds like: either -or. In the theoretical world of psychoanalysis there are three levels with fluent transitions: unconscious &#8211; preconscious &#8211; conscious. About last question of this first paragraph(p.125) I expanded that question into: or does temporality hide them from view &#8211; again. We all know this moment: a thought appears and immediate we feel &#8211; this I thought not the first time, on this point I already was. Perhaps we nothing loose? Sonner or later, it appears again ( more or less modified)?<\/p>\n<p>I\u00c2\u00b4m not concerned about too much theory or thinking and so; perhaps Jack\u00c2\u00b4s ceaseless advices bear fruit ( to stay or come back to the experience). If I read the text of Your introduction, Jack, ( about this first paragraph p.125) I compared this with my notices and start with small, verifying exercises, &#8220;swinging&#8221; from thinking to experiencing and in reverse. And if I get confused, I know today: I\u00c2\u00b4m off the experience. So, from your &#8221; now, we are not very good&#8230;.. to&#8230;..Ah well. Very lightening up for me. The whole paragraph. In German we say: sich etwas hinter die Ohren schreiben &#8211; to get sth. into one\u00c2\u00b4s head ?)<\/p>\n<p>Doing Ex. 22 first time, I thought, it is like water floating downhill. What happens if there is no movement. So, we stay on point A and A1 &#8211; but no more points like \u00c2\u00b4X\u00c2\u00b4or A2 and so on. This borders on close &#8220;being dead&#8221;. But how do we move from point to point, in awareness? Is there movement without participation of my consciousness?<\/p>\n<p>Second time Ex. 22, I thought : is it a jump &#8211; a step of most\/always unconsiously perceiption? Unconscious perceiption &#8211; this wouldn\u00c2\u00b4t be able to perceive, I mean this: that cannot be directly observed! Normally! And what is the nature of \u00c2\u00b4X\u00c2\u00b4?<\/p>\n<p>In my experience it is, or has to do with the flow, movement. This is my\u00c2\u00a0\u00c3\u00adndirectly\u00c2\u00b4 result. I\u00c2\u00b4m on point A, than on point A1. Here I look back to A and understand, I was there(A), now I\u00c2\u00b4m here (A1), what\u00c2\u00b4s about the \u00c2\u00b4between\u00c2\u00b4? It is in a vague, blurred &#8220;realm&#8221;. And it is immediate &#8220;clear&#8221; if my view is fixed to\/from a point. My picture is here: I\u00c2\u00b4m sitting in a rapid train, looking out of the window. Seeing(for example) a house; now this &#8220;realm&#8221; vaguesness, blurreness. My view with wandering eyes &#8221; seeing and not seeing&#8221;. And suddenly fixation on a tree. This would be my point A1. And what is \u00c2\u00b4X\u00c2\u00b4 here? I look back, direction A (house). Now, my &#8220;picture&#8221; is no more helpful. But I know, my picture is more than a intellectual process, it is a picture, set in motion from my experience.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps, now I must read the rest of the text for more understanding. By the way: I change\u00c2\u00a0nearly every week my procedure &#8211; first reading, than exercise and reverse. What is best?<\/p>\n<p>Arthur<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The reference of Jack to p. 125 brought my to the side bevor, last paragraph. Reading first\u00c2\u00a0paragraph of p. 125, it contracts my experiencing\/ thinking only to &#8220;conscious&#8221; and &#8220;unconscious&#8221; &#8211; and sounds like: either -or. 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