{"id":933,"date":"2009-02-06T18:03:25","date_gmt":"2009-02-07T01:03:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/2009\/02\/06\/toward-vigor-and-rigor\/"},"modified":"2012-12-08T11:33:44","modified_gmt":"2012-12-08T19:33:44","slug":"toward-vigor-and-rigor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=933","title":{"rendered":"toward vigor and rigor"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s very nice to see all the activity these last few days, and to see the vigor with which you are pursuing inquiry. Reaching back to what&#8217;s been posted since my last post, here are some comments:<\/p>\n<p>Christopher, I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re able to join us again to comment. You write about being astonished at the possibility of &#8220;nothing&#8221; and then raise the very interesting question: why is the conceptual mind astonished again and again over the years. I suppose is that the conceptual mind is precisely the one that can&#8217;t allow for &#8220;nothing at all.&#8221; It&#8217;s a bit like being astonished at how alive and beautiful the world is each time you leave home after recovering from a cold.<\/p>\n<p>Arthur, your comparison of thoughts to food (as many thoughts in the world as tastes of food) is good. And you are right to treat that as something impressive, not as a question of indulgence. To answer your question: when I wrote that the thought-world is a world without space, this is not a limitation on space, which is indeed inexhaustible, but a limit on thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>Bruce, you point out that it is often &#8220;only afterwards&#8221; that we see how a story catches us up. This goes very much to the heart of the practice we are doing here. First we notice something about how stories work by re-flecting&#8211;looking back on&#8211;our experience; later we find that we can at least sometimes notice the story as it operates. What you say about stories being &#8217;embodied&#8217; (I often say &#8216;lived&#8217; in contrast to &#8216;told&#8217;) is also so central. It&#8217;s the stories we live and embody that we don&#8217;t notice.<\/p>\n<p>I believe in keeping posts fairly short, so I will end this one here, but post another very soon.<\/p>\n<p>Jack<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s very nice to see all the activity these last few days, and to see the vigor with which you are pursuing inquiry. Reaching back to what&#8217;s been posted since my last post, here are some comments: Christopher, I&#8217;m glad &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/?p=933\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,30],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-933","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-01_general","category-tsk-online-fall-2008winter-2009"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/933","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=933"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/933\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=933"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=933"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cciforum.dreamhosters.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=933"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}