First I´ve got the problem with numbering: what can I identify with A, what is B?
Slowly but alert, my perceiption becomes finer and in same time faded. And on the “smaler” scale, which come into being by itself, there are much more moments,like this: A-A1-A2a-b-d–A3a,b——A4; as if opens an uge space, and it becomes appearent, that my ability for perceiption is quite lame (slowly). Or not quick enough for the speed of these moments, to discriminate them more clear. I wished, I could slow down the speed, like with an old film-projector.
I tried to start again and again this ´line of movements´like in the diagram and I thought, my continuing process runs not along a line, more as a string, in bends and turns, nowhere strait. My question here: does time flows in a line!? My experience is more like a dynamic chaos. And a kind of line, or sequential form, I thought again, one picture, idea, intention emerged after the previous. How in old slide-projector, you must pull out the previous slide and than you can push-in the next dia.
On p. 109, at the beginning: it makes immediatly sense, that the consequence is – a continuing isolation from direct experience. But I couldn´t distinguish “descriptive knowledge” from “pola knowledge”. And also I understand the remark of you, Jack, that the move toward description adds a layer onto the experience( in your indroduction). Even I describe the process of polar knowledge, it is a descriptive knowledge?
I´ll have a look onto the posts of this week.
Arthur
Hi, Michael,
You direct my attention on this point: who is the one operating the projector? My first reaction was: shure, I´m the one. Which part of me: self, I, my being alive; I don´t know. But I think, this is not the “last step of knowing”. Clear, I´m not the controller about this inner activity, either for the speed, nor for the content. Yes, I agree,”TSK-exerc. slow the mind down” and some “light” is falling upon the activities of our mind. Give this not some calmness, more self-acceptance in our life?
And now , writing this answer and reading again your comment I come to the question: are you shure, that your experience is different? Yes of course, regard the results: you discovered 100s of thoughts. Because you are looking for thoughts? I was “looking” for moments(which appear in the flow of the time), and what did I discover – moments for moments. My intention was to grab, to catch a feeling, a perceiption for the flow of time. When I say, I feel something like a flow, I must take back this expression, I provisionally think now: I noticed the gaps between moments! How? As a kind of nothing. I´m waiting. Nothing, only breathing by the way, and than(perhaps like you), a thought, a picture. You said “100s of thouhts” , I discribed it: 100 s of moments. Now i remember my
describtion in my post: uge space. Did my “moments” rise from this space. The same question for your “thoughts”? From where does this incredible “output” come?
Arthur
Hi Arthur,
Your description of your experience with the LOK exercise for chapter 14 is different than mine. Your description reminds me of what I have experienced trying to count thoughts. I would get hundreds of thoughts in a few minutes, mostly pretty repetitive and trivial. I wonder if we see more mental activity when we charge up the mind with some exercise, or whether there is always a lot of mental activity and we normally just don’t notice it. Your metaphor of a projector does correspond to my experience. I feel like someone watching a slide show and many of the slides are about my life, but I’m not the one operating the projector. Maybe it’s just what I’m looking for in my life–calmness, relaxation, acceptance–but I usually find that TSK exercises slow my mind down; and so when looking for moments, the mental events that mark them thin out and I start feeling that time is more like an environment in which my mind lives, than a series of events. — Michael